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Re: Astrological signature for psychic abilities
« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2010, 10:17:24 AM »
One such chart for David, I ran across:

March 8, 1973
Schenectady, New York
11:16 pm
Ascendant:  21 Scorpio

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Re: Astrological signature for psychic abilities
« Reply #31 on: June 07, 2010, 11:12:20 AM »
Hi Lura, splendid idea!  David was born on March 8, 1973 at 11:16 PM EST in Schenectady, NY, Ascendant = 21 Scorpio 32.  Perhaps others would like to comment on the similarities and differences between the two...
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Re: Astrological signature for psychic abilities
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2010, 01:36:53 PM »
Note the lack of Air Element in Edgar Cayce's chart and the Planetary line up in Pisces in 8th. He was known as 'The Sleeping Prophet.

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Re: Astrological signature for psychic abilities
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2010, 06:07:05 AM »
Well, this still looks like a hot topic...here's some more info on Edgar Cayce and Edgar Cayce reincarnated...

Wilcock and Cayce: An Extraordinary Astrological Recapitulation

by Brian McNaughton

The charts...for Edgar Cayce and David Wilcock, born 96 years apart, show an amazing similarity in soul and personality. In studying and practicing the Divine science of Astrology for over twenty years, I have never seen such a remarkable re-convergence of the ‘personal' planets (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus and Mars).

The charts show a remarkable sameness between these two men beyond all chance or 'coincidence'.

For simplicity's sake, I will write in present tense regarding Edgar Cayce to avoid such verbal malaprops as had/have, was/is etc.

First of all, what leaps out at the astrologer is the fact that all five personal planets are in the same signs in both charts.

I am not the mathematician I would like to be, but the order of odds against such a lineup is very high (see sidebar), when you consider the chances of one conjunction of a pair of personal planets to be on the order of 1:18 (giving a ten degree orb either way). The odds of having five pair of inner planets conjunct is nothing less than phenomenal!

In our look at these five pair of personality determining planets, we see first that the Moon in both charts occupies the 13th degree of Taurus, the sign of the Moon's exaltation, and in the degree associated with the number of Lunar cycles in a year.

This is an amazingly exact conjunction (1 in 360) normally indicating a very high degree of compatibility and comfort between two people. In synastry (syn- means same or similar and -astry means stars or planets; that is, the study of compatibility between two people) having Moon conjunct Moon usually is deemed the highest order of compatibility; followed by Moon conjunct Ascendant and Moon conjunct the Sun.

By the way, the Moon is the most important planet for compatibility as it connotes soul, emotional responses, comfort level with others, and receptivity to others. So, already we see that the level of emotional harmony between Cayce and Wilcock is outstandingly rare. Were they brothers, they would be as twins, practically inseparable.

The other exact conjunction is between Wilcock's Venus and Cayce's north node of the Moon. The Lunar nodes are two points (north and south) on a line in space formed by the plane of the Moon around the Earth and the plane of the Earth around the Sun.

From high school geometry we know that when two planes intersect, they form a straight line. This line extends into space and moves slowly retrograde - one cycle lasts ~18.6 years. When the Sun, in it's annual journey around the zodiac, comes close to either the north or south nodes, a pair of eclipses will ensue, usually two pair a year.

Now the north node is taken by most astrologers to mean qualities that our souls seek to imbue themselves with. The south node is generally regarded as the qualities we have.

So, W's Venus exactly conjunct C's north node indicates to me that Wilcock values the qualities that Cayce sought, and to a large extent did achieve.

The fact that they are exactly conjunct says to me that Wilcock's 4th chakra is qualitatively the replica of Cayce's dream of his reward for a lifetime of altruistic service to others. It does not mean that neither man is without flaw, but Venus in both men's charts is exalted in Pisces, where personal love can more easily become universal love.

Both men have Sun in Pisces, which essentially means that they are both psychically sensitive and spiritually oriented with compassion for suffering, and a life mission of spiritual growth and development of intuition. Unity and inclusiveness are a theme of Pisces.

Cayce used an unconscious trance state, Wilcock uses dreams - both are Piscean approaches to higher awareness. Although, it must be said that Wilcock's approach is much more conscious and thus probably more skillful.

If so, this is a natural progression from one life to the next, as developed talents have a way of begetting greater gifts. Both these men devote themselves to greater spiritual awareness and compassionate alleviation of suffering.

They both have Mercury in Pisces, enabling them to explore their own psychic realms with skill and understanding of the symbolism used in working with the deeper reaches of human consciousness and spiritual awareness.

Mercury in Pisces indicates a fluid state of mind in which images and feelings are dominant and the psyche is very impressionable.

Wilcock's Mercury is conjunct Cayce's Sun, indicating an awareness of Cayce's life that is likely to convince any doubters that Wilcock is aware of many of the hidden details and secrets of Edgar Cayce's life. These will probably come out as required to allay fears and create better communications between the A.R.E. and David Wilcock.

Both men have Mars exalted in Capricorn, making it easy to see how their devotion to their work, their service, is the great strength of their characters and gift to humankind. Cayce had a wide Mars Jupiter conjunction, showing a need for freedom to do his own thing rather than be tied to a job and salary.

Even before Cayce began to give readings, he determined to work for himself. It also indicates that he wasn't afraid to speculate on risky ventures. Wilcock has Mars conjunct his North Node and thus is likely to be a prodigious worker, devoting himself for long tireless hours in pursuit of his superconscious Muse.

We come now to where their dharmas divide, if you will. The most noticeable difference between Cayce and Wilcock is in their rising signs, or ascendants. The ascendant is our face, appearance and the screen through which we express ourselves.

In their charts the ascendants are as different as can be. Cayce had Leo rising, and thus a strong urge to express himself and to accept what issued from him in trance. While not a proud man in the sense that he was always banging his own drum, Cayce did have enough self-assurance that made it possible for him to go beyond his fundamentalist upbringing.

To be sure, it didn't happen overnight, and I'm sure there was some anguish over leaving a pat religion behind. But he did accept the truth of his Spirit and became a strong proponent of his larger being's perspective.

David Wilcock, on the other hand, has Scorpio rising, and so he has a more difficult field to hoe. Scorpio is the most difficult ascendant because it is not naturally self-expressive, and that is the function of the rising sign - to express the various energies of the entity.

With Scorpio rising, (ruled by Mars and Pluto) Wilcock works hard (Mars in Capricorn) to express himself in a manner that is so beyond dispute as to carry the day. And although he works hard to get beyond any critical noise, Scorpio rising will never back down from a dispute out of fear.

So no one should be confused by this Piscean's willingness to get along, that he would not fight vigorously for what he believes, and that he is not afraid to admit his darker aspects.

Without going into great detail about the outer planets Jupiter through Pluto, I want to mention a few remarkable facts. Cayce's Jupiter was in Capricorn, lending an authoritative tinge to his higher self.

Wilcock's Jupiter is in Aquarius (the sign following Capricorn), which means that he has a more egalitarian and New Age quality to his higher awareness. Jupiter in both charts is in the 3rd degree of their respective signs, giving another glimpse of similarity and progression.

Cayce's Saturn was in Pisces conjunct his Mercury and Venus. This is often perceived as one having a somewhat formal rectitude with a great precision, and brevity bordering on the austere.

Wilcock has Saturn in Gemini (similar to Saturn conjunct Mercury) which places emphasis on working to master communication with clarity and substance, which he has shown so well in his books and readings. Saturn in Gemini often manifests a writing ability, usually later in life.

Both charts have Chiron, the wounded healer, in Aries, which usually indicates a wound in one's sense of self, masculinity or ability to assert oneself.

It seems somewhat unfair that David Wilcock must journey through life always being compared to America's greatest psychic. It appears to me that establishing a comfortable identity may always present David with a creative challenge.

Neptune, as ruler of Pisces, plays a central role in both men's charts. In Cayce's chart, Neptune is conjunct the Moon in Taurus. Moon-Neptune conjunctions are well known for acute emotional sensitivity and true psychic ability.

Wilcock has Neptune in his 1st house where it refines his self-image, opens him to oneness with all, and activates his psychic senses. Neptune in the 1st usually makes the individual prone to be a reflecting screen for others' projections.

Pluto is conjunct Cayce's Moon, which made it difficult for him to break with his family's religion and heritage, but made the break necessary and very transformative. Wilcock has Pluto in Libra and widely opposing his Mercury. This gives David a deep and penetrating mind, capable of splendid research which transforms the way he (and we) look at our world.

I could go on for many pages about the parallels and paradoxes between these two wonderfully gifted men. But it is not my intention to put on an astrological workshop here. I am pleased to help a bit in the further understanding of a rare phenomenon - a personal look at the reincarnation of one of the world's most gifted and capable psychics.

The fact that Edgar Cayce worked himself to an early demise likely accounts for the incredible number of contacts between his chart and Wilcock's (see sidebar). If, as is likely, we return to the third dimension and human form when we have left it before our life has reached it's natural conclusion, it is reasonable to expect that we will return to resume what we wished to accomplish in the prior incarnation.

Therefore, it is easy to understand the numerous recapitulations of Cayce's chart in Wilcock's chart. Although David Wilcock is quite a young man, his accomplishments prove his promise, and indeed make it easy to suppose that he is the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce.

To those who resist or deny this conclusion, I say an open mind is a requirement for learning and growing. If anyone closes their mind to the fairly obvious conclusion that David Wilcock is the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, I urge them to remain open to the possibility, because you cannot know for sure one way or the other until you have personal knowledge. I remain open to realizing the reverse of my present belief.

Sidebar:

In order to ascertain the frequency of the astonishing number of planetary conjunctions between Cayce's chart and Wilcock's chart, I have researched the planetary tables for over one hundred years.

I searched the period from Cayce's birth in the year 1873 to the year 2000, to find another year in which the personal planets (Moon*, Mercury, Venus and Mars) were in the same signs as Cayce and Wilcock.

It may help you to know that Mercury is never farther than 28 degrees from the Sun, and Venus is never more than 48 degrees away from the Sun. Thus, when the Sun returns to its place each year on or about one's birthday, Mercury will never be more than a sign away from the Sun, and Venus will never be more than two signs away from the Sun.

The Moon and Mars may be found anywhere in the zodiac, irrespective of the Sun's position. What I found is recorded below. (The Sun is not included in this search because it is always back at its starting point on the same day each year).

From 1873-2000:

The Moon returned to the *13th deg. of Taurus 5 times 
Mercury returned to Pisces 68 times
Venus returned to Pisces 30 times
Mars returned to Capricorn 13 times

In the 127 years searched for March 8th:

No planets were the in same signs of Cayce and Wilcock 42
One planet was in the same sign as Cayce and Wilcock 57
Two planets were the same signs as Cayce and Wilcock 21
Three planets were in the same signs as Cayce and Wilcock  1

So, all four planets haven't been back in the same signs as Cayce and Wilcock on March 8th since Cayce's birth, except at Wilcock's birth. And three of the planets have returned to the same signs on March 8th - once-1954.

* I restricted the Moon's return to the 13th degree of Taurus, rather than anywhere in the sign of Taurus to give a truer idea of the frequency of Lunar return on the day of Wilcock's birth. Had I used the return of the Moon to any degree of Taurus on the 8th of March, the number would have risen greatly and would have yielded a less accurate perspective.

I have received nothing in return for this analysis other than the possibility of new clients through this website. BJM.
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Re: Astrological signature for psychic abilities
« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2010, 07:23:09 AM »
James,

If you get a chance to pull up a photo of young Cayce & Wilcock, you will be astounded!  Perhaps, the features of an Ascendant 'grow on one?'  [I'll try to find the website and share]

Also, I like your use of the 'Naturalness' in terms of these two.  Have you checked Alice's reference to fixed star Alcyone?  Ptolemy says it relates to Moon-Mars; Alvidas, Moon-Mars and Sun in opposition.
I get the sense of "birds strung in line" and Wilcock 'hum-drumming' the wave in his dreaming.  Like praying the Rosary.

Great job on your deductions.


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Re: Astrological signature for psychic abilities
« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2010, 08:59:14 AM »
Yes, Lura, the photos of both of them are striking!  But is was Brian McNaughton that wrote that article that I posted, so they are his deductions, not mine...but they are pretty comprehensive... ;D

I may post something on the two men based on their Vedic charts...
"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: Astrological signature for psychic abilities
« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2010, 10:04:02 AM »
Peter Hurkos has the Trans-Neptunian 'Poseidon', 20 Virgo sextile Neptune, trine Sun/Mercury, 19 Taurus.  Mercury/Poseidon=spiritual communications.

Tr. Mars just entered Virgo ( power + precision), the placement of Evangeline Adams' 'Poseidon' opp. Mercury.  Grant Lewi has 'Poseidon' in square, 16 Gemini.

Mars is said to 'reap' soul qualities.

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Re: Astrological signature for psychic abilities
« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2010, 07:01:12 AM »
Ray and others,

Has anyone, as Ray suggested, taken on more study of Mars in this ability?

When I reread the thread on Samuel Morse, I remember he developed his ability in mid-life, perhaps after a foundation was established, his Saturn more matured.

As one poster reminds us, that Juno is also the ability to see a pattern, as April Kent says, is a natural ability that develops as we "become ourselves through another, in marriage," Morse's wife dies, the pattern is broken, like the '23' in his chart, may intimate, the code-breaker.  He becomes like a telephone repair man, to find that 'natural rhythm' again, perhaps it's new, perhaps he needed a new response, as the 7th, is the natural response to an individual call.

What is this strange link between telegraphy and love?  It has recently, blatantly, happened to me.  Pierre Curie, saying Love is ambitious, one cannot kill it.  Now, I'm thinking of a catapulter?

Ray, what say you in your stats?  How would one find it in synastry?  Can it be done?  Would you look at my chart?

Thanks

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Re: Astrological signature for psychic abilities
« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2010, 10:34:29 AM »
I wonder about the definition of psychic, because it is vague. There are mediums who let their bodies be taken over, and there are those who can see or hear or know because of developing themselves to do so. I have heard of those who channel to have a reddish hue, like high blood pressure, and that it is not healthy. Some can "see" some things like auras, others use a mirror to see past lives, while others can hear better than see. Some had some life lesson delivered by an ephemeral presence around the age of eight. Then there are the full-blown do-it-on-TV psychics. And there is the matter of proof, of performance in public.

I saw a TV report about a experiment with magnetic fields around the right temporal lobe that created an impression of a spirit presence. I got out my big magnet and meditated for a while with it on my head, but I didn't get anything.

If you are going to New Orleans for UAC, you might want to know psychic self-defense. I knew a psychic in New Orleans back in 1968. She was not only psychic, she knew how to use it for self-defense as well as spiritual development. It was her goal to teach others how to be psychic, because she claimed it was an ability of all humans that only needed to be developed if they knew how. She gathered psychics to train them how to use it better. That was some high magic!

Her birth data is: Genevieve Wirth August 4, 1921 5:40 PM New Orleans, LA
In her chart, Aries on the third house cusp and Mars Cancer conjunct Mercury Leo. The stellium of planets in Leo 7th House includes Sun conjunct Netune Leo, and Moon Leo. She called herself Kumi Maitreya.

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Re: Astrological signature for psychic abilities
« Reply #40 on: November 20, 2010, 12:27:21 PM »
Thanks ,Daniel,

It is "Opening Day for Deer Hunting," up North.  I am surrounded by, mostly men, in blaze orange.  My spirit totem, is a female deer.  I was able to still it, once, and it opened up my ability to communicate.  Lesson in trust.  I share a special bond with my Dad, and for the first time, he is sitting not far from me, in the woods, and it is rather comforting to know he is there.

I know several outstanding hunters, who can doze off, awaken to no sound, and sense a deer approaching.  It is amazing when this happens, for it isn't often we hear of the gift with men's intuition.  Perhaps, it's not really 'psychic.'?

My Mars septile Uranus.  It has taken me a long time, to not concentrate too hard on, one thing solely (although that's how it started), and trust, it is the something that makes itself known, from inside.
Having Uranus in Pluto's house, can be terrifying.  Pluto is not necessarily good or evil, just relentless.

There probably are many facets.  After I "shake off the pitch," I sense for the empathy at the core of its message, run it through sort of a "reflective conscious" drill, and it is often, well many times, pre-cognitive.  I sleep alot.

My Vertex-Leo, optics is conjoined with my Part of Spirit-POF.  In opposition to Juno-Pholus (channel).
Square Eros-Pluto.

During my Mars Return of this past year, activation was heightened.  I met with an astrologer, and before seeing him, I was 'nudged' to grab an article to gift him.  It's like that.  You just do it.  As it turned out, he was quite 'moved' by not so much what it was, but what it brought back in his memory.  Almost, like I was a vessel, to deliver a moment of reminiscent love from a father.

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Re: Astrological signature for psychic abilities
« Reply #41 on: November 20, 2010, 12:43:59 PM »
Thanks too, for the chart.  The lady's name "rings a bell."  My sister shares it.  She was in my intense Isis dream.  It's very painful being alone, when this happens.

Mars seems to jibe well with "self-defense."

Caroline Myss once commented that she went to a psychic, but it didn't work.  Because, she sensed her older relative presence, cautioning her and the psychic.  I know that has happened to me too.

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Re: Astrological signature for psychic abilities
« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2010, 02:35:53 PM »
Hi Ray Murphy,

Can you run a routine for "psychics" that shows Sun/Uranus/Neptune in any combination, also Moon/Neptune or Moon/Neptune/Jupiter or Moon/Ascendant combinations in the 16th Harmomic, 15' orb, and compare to a control group?

I'm looking at page 195 of Munkasey's Concept Dictionary, which is of course under the rubric that the concepts are not in any way metaphysical certitude.

Thanks,
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Yes, I can start doing do that in 12 hours or so - I'm just finishing for the day now.

For anyone reading this and doesn't used midpoints much, Ed means midpoints like:
SUN = UR/NE
URA = SU/NE
NEP = SU/UR
MOO = NEP
MOO = JU/NE
JUP = MO/NE
NEP = MO/JU
MOO = ASC

Control groups:
Two commonly used controls groups used in astrological research are:
(1) Where the real data is shuffled so that there are the same number of charts for
. . .each year. (MMM,DD,YYYY,HH,MM, Lat Long are shuffled).

(2) Random data with the original year being used.

Both of these methods are pretty seriously flawed. Ideally, according to Ken Gillman we
should only ever be using REAL data for any control group, ie. all of our data collection
for real people.

(3) There is a third method which I devised and regularly use - a comparison with people's
occupations or hobbies, so we can see if (say) Psychic people score better than most others.
This method also allows similar categories to be included - such as "psychic experience"

Anyway we'll see how any of the control groups work as we go along.



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Re: Astrological signature for psychic abilities
« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2010, 04:23:42 AM »
... Ideally, according to Ken Gillman we
should only ever be using REAL data for any control group, ie. all of our data collection
for real people.

But there's one born every minute, no?

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(3) There is a third method which I devised and regularly use - a comparison with people's
occupations or hobbies, so we can see if (say) Psychic people score better than most others.
This method also allows similar categories to be included - such as "psychic experience"

Anyway we'll see how any of the control groups work as we go along.

Thanks, Ray.


Here's the scores for:

SUN = UR/NE
URA = SU/NE
NEP = SU/UR
MOO = NEP
MOO = JU/NE
JUP = MO/NE
NEP = MO/JU

I used Astrodatabank (Ver.3) 180 Psychics and an orb of 0 deg15 mins for 16th harmonic.

23 of the 180 preople had one or more of those factors

I then generated a Jigsaw control group twice and got these scores:
28 out of 180
23 out of 180

The control groups had the same year and Lat/Long but the DD,MM were random.




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Re: Astrological signature for psychic abilities
« Reply #44 on: November 21, 2010, 04:28:25 AM »

This thing with "Mars in the third" is surprising.

The data I've collected over the years on intuitives (ones I know personally, not Kenny Kingston or LaToya) tend to show a particular picture - midnight birth or Luna rising, or both, or new of full moon near the meridian, but SO=UR/NE, MO=UR/NE and ME=UR/NE seems to be the ones that are off the charts, sometimes uncontrollable sensitivity.  I've looked at a bunch of these charts today, none have Mars in the third house, but I only have about 20 charts that I consider to be gifted based on my experience.


It might have occurred purely by chance.